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Re: Tie Breaker for 3,4, and 5 and others

Post  goldenbear on Thu Feb 28, 2013 7:24 pm

2. Rating against NHIAA divisional opponents selected for the tournament including all teams
involved in a tie for the last position. Once the tournament teams have been selected, the teams that
were tied for the last position are no longer used in breaking ties as they are not considered
tournament teams.
3.
Quality of wins against tournament teams in division including all teams involved in a tie for the
last position. (Ranking)

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Re: Tie Breaker for 3,4, and 5 and others

Post  goldenbear on Thu Feb 28, 2013 7:28 pm

So the teams wins against each other would count

So if all the teams are 5-13

Londonderry would have two wins

Concord would have two wins ( beating dover would be second)

Keene would have three wins

Pinkerton would have two wins

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Re: Tie Breaker for 3,4, and 5 and others

Post  goldenbear on Thu Feb 28, 2013 7:34 pm

Keene would be 14th

Concord would be 15 do to tie breaker ,road wins

Pinkerton 16 th

and Londonderry would be 17 because they other teams have a better win over Dover


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Re: Tie Breaker for 3,4, and 5 and others

Post  goldenbear on Thu Feb 28, 2013 7:34 pm

Keene and Londonderry both have chances to win tomorrow

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Re: Tie Breaker for 3,4, and 5 and others

Post  Titan222 on Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:03 pm

thanks goldenbear.....so if concord wins and londonderry loses thats has to be a tough exit for the lancers who are 2-1 vs the tie break teams and only lost to keene in ot when the boulay kid scored 7 points in the final 50 sec to get keene to ot where they eventually won

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Tiebreaker

Post  1moreknowitall on Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:07 pm

First tiebreaker would be head-head. If all teams are at 5-13 then...

Keene and Londonderry would be 2-1 vs. the other 3 teams. Keene beat Lond/Pink. Lond beat Pink/Conc

Pinkerton and Concord would be 1-2 each. Pink beat Concord. Concord beat Keene.

Keene beat Londonderry so Keene would be 14 seed, Londonderry falls to 15. Pinkerton beat Concord making Pinkerton 16 and Concord out.

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Re: Tie Breaker for 3,4, and 5 and others

Post  SeacoastDad on Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:04 pm

1moreknowitall wrote:First tiebreaker would be head-head. If all teams are at 5-13 then...

Keene and Londonderry would be 2-1 vs. the other 3 teams. Keene beat Lond/Pink. Lond beat Pink/Conc

Pinkerton and Concord would be 1-2 each. Pink beat Concord. Concord beat Keene.

Keene beat Londonderry so Keene would be 14 seed, Londonderry falls to 15. Pinkerton beat Concord making Pinkerton 16 and Concord out.

That is my interpretation as well. The head-to-head tiebreaker can still be used if more than 2 teams are tied, as long as they all played each other the same number of times, which in this case they did.

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Re: Tie Breaker for 3,4, and 5 and others

Post  JAF on Fri Mar 01, 2013 10:17 am

NHRamFan wrote:
Regarding Tie Breaker procedures, the IRS Tax Code is more easily decoded than the NHIAA rules...perhaps it's time that they get simplified? When a team's loss to someone who doesn't qualify for the playoffs actually gives them a leg up on other teams, there would seem to be something wrong.

As soon as someone comes up with "simplified" tie breaking procedure they need to *patent* and *sell* it!

Oh and if we ever get a simple IRS Tax Code, there will be many government workers, lobbyists, laywers, CPA's, etc. out of work!



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Re: Tie Breaker for 3,4, and 5 and others

Post  goldenbear on Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:31 pm


The criteria for seeding a team is as follows:
1.
Rating* in head-to-head competition which shall be the established team rating system based upon
contests against opponents involved in the tie providing they have played each other the same
number of times.

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Re: Tie Breaker for 3,4, and 5 and others

Post  goldenbear on Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:35 pm

1moreknowitall wrote:First tiebreaker would be head-head. If all teams are at 5-13 then...

Keene and Londonderry would be 2-1 vs. the other 3 teams. Keene beat Lond/Pink. Lond beat Pink/Conc

Pinkerton and Concord would be 1-2 each. Pink beat Concord. Concord beat Keene.

Keene beat Londonderry so Keene would be 14 seed, Londonderry falls to 15. Pinkerton beat Concord making Pinkerton 16 and Concord out.


your right but I do not think they would break it down more than one level, Keene and Pinkerton would be 1-2 thus they would go to the second tie breaker, they would not go back to head head, because all the team are tied. I think it would get and Keene and Londonderry in but then you cant re do the head to head again.

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Redo Head to head

Post  1moreknowitall on Fri Mar 01, 2013 1:46 pm

....that's how it's done. The 2-1 teams would break first tie and then match up head to head for seeding. The 1-2 teams would then match up head to head to break next tie. The other criteria come in to play if you can't use head to head.....ie if Concord didn't play Londonderry then not all teams can be involved in the first head to head tiebreaker.

In the end it won't matter because they're not all going to finish with 5 wins in all likelihood. I didn't feel like figuring it out, but it would get messier if 3 teams were tied with 5 wins and all teams involved in the head to head tiebreaker were 1-1 against each other. Then you'd proceed to the next tiebreaker.

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Re: Tie Breaker for 3,4, and 5 and others

Post  Tuesday and Friday on Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:38 pm

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Re: Tie Breaker for 3,4, and 5 and others

Post  Titan222 on Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:59 pm

I think we all could be in for a surprise if concord wins because who knows what type of crazy rule the NHIAA will throw at us

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Re: Tiebreaker

Post  amcman7 on Fri Mar 01, 2013 6:46 pm

I'm almost positive that you have to break all ties at the same time. You can't break part of the tie, put those 2 teams in, and go back to break the tie between the other 2 teams.

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Re: Tie Breaker for 3,4, and 5 and others

Post  goldenbear on Fri Mar 01, 2013 10:10 pm

amcman7 wrote:I'm almost positive that you have to break all ties at the same time. You can't break part of the tie, put those 2 teams in, and go back to break the tie between the other 2 teams.

i agree amcman, but the know it all guy seems pretty confident so he could be right.

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