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Post  goldenbear on Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:21 am

South did not play Memorial, thus the head to head breaker is out so if Memorial wins and South beat Pinkerton, I think South would get the third seed do to better record against playoff teams.

I have no looked at the others but to me it would have just made sense for the NHIAA to add one game and let the teams play 19, so you have a balance schedule. Not really fair to Spaulding though they can take care of business and beat memorial Friday night.

There are so many games Friday that could effect the standings it will be a crazy night.

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Re: Tie Breaker for 3,4, and 5 and others

Post  TheDeafPanther07 on Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:16 pm

Someone for the Nashua Telegraph's Facebook page did the work for us!

"Regardless of what happens in other games, if Nashua South beats Pinkerton Academy on Friday night and finish the regular-season at 14-4, they'll finish in the top four, meaning it could host two home tournament games.
If 14-3 Spaulding beats 13-4 Manchester Memorial on Friday, its simple enough. Spaulding clinches the third spot and South takes fourth.
If Memorial and South win, resulting in a three-way tie for third at 14-4, South actually takes the third spot. Since South and Memorial didn't play, the first tiebreaker, head-to-head among the three teams, is thrown out.
The next tiebreaker is rating, or winning percentage, against teams selected for the tournament. Because one of South's four losses was to North, a non-tournament team, South would finish 11-3 against tournament opponents, while Spaulding would be 11-4 and Memorial 10-4.
South would get the third spot, with Memorial fourth when the tiebreaker reverts back to head-to-head.
If your not confused enough yet, there's still the chance that South and Memorial both lose Friday and Bishop Guertin beats West, creating a three-way tie for fourth at 13-5.
One again, head-to-head is thrown out because South didn't play Memorial.
South, once again, wins the tiebreaker on rating against tournament teams. Memorial would take fifth because it beat BG head to head.
The moral of the story is, when it comes to tiebreaker No. 2, South's loss to North was better than losing to one of lower ranked teams that qualified for the tournament."

I also did the bottom couple of seeds for us to play:
If Exeter, Dover, Salem win their respective games, they are 11, 12, 13.
If Dover wins, Salem loses, Dover stays 12th, if Salem wins, they are 11th if Dover loses.
If Exeter loses, and both Dover and Salem wins...Exeter is 13th as they lost to both Dover and Salem.
If Exeter loses, and either Dover or Salem wins (and one loses), Exeter is 12th. Winner is 11th, Loser is 13th.

Londonderry and Keene are tied at 5-12: Keene has Tiebreaker/Head-to-Head. If they both win, Keene is 14th. If Keene loses and Londonderry wins, Londonderry is 14th. They both lose is like they both stay the same. If they both lose and Pinky wins, Pinkerton is 14th. while Londonderry is 16th.

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Re: Tie Breaker for 3,4, and 5 and others

Post  JustinMcIsaac on Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:26 pm

Gotta go with GoldenBear on this one- have everyone play everyone else so it's even. If Spaulding gets the 5 because they lost to Salem while South lost to North, that's... well, travesty is too strong of a word, but it stinks.

And IIRC, the same thing happened to Spaulding LAST year too!

But yes the point is moot if Spaulding beats Memorial.

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Re: Tie Breaker for 3,4, and 5 and others

Post  BoscoD39 on Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:00 pm

I'd have to agree that actually improving your seeding by losing to a non-playoff team seems like a flaw in the system.

Perhaps we need a new thread, but with the addition of Bedford to Division 1, they should have simply added a game to the schedule. Or perhaps create two divisions within the league and have a similar schedule to the college conferences, with home and homes against rivals and so on.

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Re: Tie Breaker for 3,4, and 5 and others

Post  bgcgchoops on Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:03 pm

I also believe if Keene loses and Concord beats Dover. Then Concord is in.

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Re: Tie Breaker for 3,4, and 5 and others

Post  sjsprague on Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:24 pm

It is indeed correct that if Concord wins and Keene loses the last playoff spot belongs to the
Tide. Also, if Kaleb Marquis has another big game he still gets my vote for POY.

He has done more for a losing team than others have done for winning programs. The reasoning
is that Concord only has Kaleb and other teams have a plethora of good players in the lineup.

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Re: Tie Breaker for 3,4, and 5 and others

Post  Titan222 on Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:11 am

how would keene be knocked out if concord wins they have more wins vs playoff teams than concord, dover londonderry and pinkerton while concord only would have the win vs dover

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Re: Tie Breaker for 3,4, and 5 and others

Post  goldenbear on Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:13 am

Not sure Keene seems safe Pinkerton could be in trouble with only two wins

and concord could have two

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Re: Tie Breaker for 3,4, and 5 and others

Post  sjsprague on Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:28 am

So basically, Keene, Londonderry, and Pinkerton are all in for the last 3 spots. The entire field is all set except for position. My mistake, I thought Concord had a chance vs Keene, but Keene beat both Londonderry and Pinkerton so all 3 are locked in. Concord lost to both of those teams. Am I correct?

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Re: Tie Breaker for 3,4, and 5 and others

Post  TheDeafPanther07 on Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:32 am

SJ, Concord has 3 wins while Pinkerton has 5. So its not possible...sorry :c(

But South still has a chance for the 3rd seed as Spaulding is playing #5 Memorial and because South didn't play Memorial and South lost to North...the Head-to-Head gets thrown out and South is 11-3 against Tourney teams while both Spaulding and Memorial have either less wins have 4 losses each (bit this is all if Spaulding loses).

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Re: Tie Breaker for 3,4, and 5 and others

Post  bgcgchoops on Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:35 am

I am a little confused with the tie breaking procedure. If Londonderry,Pinky,and Keene all lose and Concord beats Dover, they all are 5-13. Who gets in and who doesn't? Could someone please explain?

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Re: Tie Breaker for 3,4, and 5 and others

Post  bgcgchoops on Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:37 am

Panther,
Concord has 4 wins.

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Re: Tie Breaker for 3,4, and 5 and others

Post  Titan222 on Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:59 am

if its a 4 way tie at 5-13 i believe that londonderry would be knocked out because the tie breaker would be playoff wins, which keene, pinky, and concord would all have one vs dover while londonderry has no playoff wins

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Re: Tie Breaker for 3,4, and 5 and others

Post  TheDeafPanther07 on Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:59 am

Thanks BGCG...I must've did it when the score wasn't updated but Pinky does have the head-to-head and they are eliminated anyway.

I just got a call from my boss and I'll most likely be going to Salem @ North tomorrow to see the seeding play out there. We may have another of our former players go to Keene for that game (w/Exeter and I have a feel that its an important game), I have a parent texting me scores from Pinkerton usually and I just need Dover, Londonderry, and Memorial's score!

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Re: Tie Breaker for 3,4, and 5 and others

Post  Titan222 on Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:11 pm

the tiebreaker of head to head is thrown out with a four way tie, so if concord wins and the rest lose londonderry would be out i think cuz they have 0 playoff wins while the others have 1

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Re: Tie Breaker for 3,4, and 5 and others

Post  TheDeafPanther07 on Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:23 pm

Titan222, I still don't have the same situation as you do! Maybe I'm not getting how the Rating system is done!

Playoff Teams Rating: Keene is 3-11, Londonderry is 1-11, Concord is 1-13 and Pinkerton is 1-12. It would be Keene, Londonderry, Pinkerton, Concord being the first team out right now.

Only way for Concord to go in is to beat Dover, while LHS loses but it still wouldn't work, CHS has too many losses and if Pinky loses: they are tied w/ playoff teams while Pinky has the Head-to-Head. I'm sorry but I just don't see how Concord is eligible. If Keene loses and everyone else wins (LHS, PA, CHS) Than I think Concord takes out Keene because Concord won the Head-to-Head. That is all I see but chances are extremely slim if I am right.

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Re: Tie Breaker for 3,4, and 5 and others

Post  sjsprague on Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:36 pm

So, I am correct in my previous post. If Concord beats Keene and Londonderry and Pinkerton both lose they are all 5-13. Under this scenario Keene, Londonderry and Pinkerton are all in.

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Re: Tie Breaker for 3,4, and 5 and others

Post  TheDeafPanther07 on Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:38 pm

Concord is playing Dover...

but I think if Keene loses and all the others win...Keene is out but I am not 100% sure.

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Re: Tie Breaker for 3,4, and 5 and others

Post  Titan222 on Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:51 pm

ok so currently the standings are 14) keene at 5-12, 15) londonderry at 5-12, 16) pinkerton 5-12 then 17) concord at 4-13....if concord wins and the other three lose...i think all games head to head vs eachother are thrown out so you look for wins vs playoff teams outside eachother in the 4 way tie which londonderry would be out cuz keene, pink, and concord would all have beaten dover while londonderry has 0 playoff wins outside the 4 way tie

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Re: Tie Breaker for 3,4, and 5 and others

Post  sjsprague on Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:02 pm

Thanks Titan222, I was looking at wins against all playoff teams. I didn't realize that Londonderry beating Pinkerton would not be included. Also, I think Keene beat either Londonderry or Pinkerton.

So any wins against a playoff team involved in the tie-breaker do not count?

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Re: Tie Breaker for 3,4, and 5 and others

Post  Titan222 on Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:13 pm

keene did beat both londonderry and pinkerton and i pretty sure that wins vs the playoff teams in the tie breaker dont count because none of them are in cuz there tied so u have to look for playoff wins outside the tiebreaker

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Tie Breaker for 3,4, and 5 and others

Post  amcman7 on Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:54 pm

I think we are forgetting that the point system is what initially ranks the teams, not wins and losses. With that in mind, if Concord wins away at Dover, and Pinkerton, Londonderry, and Keene all lose, then Concord is 14 (with 21 points) and the other 3 are fighting for 15 and 16 (with 20 points each.

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Re: Tie Breaker for 3,4, and 5 and others

Post  SeacoastDad on Thu Feb 28, 2013 3:22 pm

amcman7 wrote:I think we are forgetting that the point system is what initially ranks the teams, not wins and losses. With that in mind, if Concord wins away at Dover, and Pinkerton, Londonderry, and Keene all lose, then Concord is 14 (with 21 points) and the other 3 are fighting for 15 and 16 (with 20 points each.
According to the standings on the NHIAA web site, each team is being credited with 4 points for a win, regardless of whether it was a home or a road win. I don't know if that is a new policy this year or a mistake.

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Re: Tie Breaker for 3,4, and 5 and others

Post  sjsprague on Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:24 pm

Thanks for all the responses. Since I am a Concord fan and travelling to Dover tomorrow I would just like to know if they have a chance at the playoffs. We have a lot of different opinions so I am not sure who is correct.

Thanks again

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NHIAA Tie Breakers

Post  NHRamFan on Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:18 pm

It appears that the different points are still being used for cross division games (D3 vs D4, for example) but has been abandoned (?) within the division. This makes sense since some teams play an uneven number of home and away games. Of course, I wasn't able to find anything formally noting how the points work this year....

Regarding Tie Breaker procedures, the IRS Tax Code is more easily decoded than the NHIAA rules...perhaps it's time that they get simplified? When a team's loss to someone who doesn't qualify for the playoffs actually gives them a leg up on other teams, there would seem to be something wrong.

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