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Post  webman38 on Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:00 am

According to Roger Brown here is what the football committee came up with:

The NHIAA Council passed the following alignment Thursday with the following recommendations from the Classification Committee:
The Classification Committee recommends that this alignment be for one year and request the Football Committee develop another alignment that consists of no more than 5 divisions by April 1, 2012 for the second year of the cycle. If a proposal is not presented for implementation for the second year of the 2012-13, 2013-14 cycle, the Classification Committee will set the alignment for football for the second year of the cycle, per By-Law Article IV Classification Sect. 2 and Section 3.

DIVISION I (nine schools): Pinkerton (3,168), Manchester Central (2,324), Nashua South (2,053), Manchester Memorial (2,040), Nashua North (1,928), Concord (1,860), Londonderry (1,707), Exeter (1,703),* Salem (1,543).

DIVISION II (nine schools): Keene (1,583), Spaulding (1,506), Merrimack (1,450), Dover (1,437), Timberlane (1,424), Bedford (1351), Manchester West (1,304), Winnacunnet (1,235), *Bishop Guertin (854).

DIVISION III (nine schools): *Alvirne (1,400), Goffstown (1,201), Portsmouth (1,085), Milford (936), Hollis-Brookline (908), Con-Val (905), Pembroke (899), Souhegan (857), Merrimack Valley (885).

DIVISION IV (10 schools): *Kennett (857), Kingswood (799), John Stark (762), Hanover (760), Lebanon (727), Windham (708), Plymouth (688), St. Thomas (643), Laconia (628), *Trinity (417).

DIVISION V (10 schools): *Sanborn (736), *Stevens (649), Pelham (623), Kearsarge (604), Monadnock (601), Inter-Lakes/Moultonborough (581), Fall Mountain (574), Somersworth (573), Epping-Newmarket (539), Bow (528).

DIVISION VI (10 schools): *Farmington-Nute (656), *Gilford (532), Campbell (493), Winnisquam (481), Franklin (459), Newfound (422), Raymond (419), Mascoma (404), Newport (390), Bishop Brady (392).

Let the complaining begin....

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Post  SofaKing on Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:35 am

So, I can only speak to the upper divisions (1, 2, and 3), but here are my general thoughts:

THE GOOD:
-Exeter stays in D1. I think it would have been bogus if they moved down after the year that they've had.
-Pelham says goodbye to D3. Good God...I feel bad for that program.
-Trinity stays in D4. Although they could clearly compete in D3, they are a very small school and their fortunes could turn on a dime.
-West stays in D2. Even though there were rumors about them going down...I think staying in D2 is a good move right now.
-Bedford to D2. They have the facilities and the numbers to play in this division.

THE NOT-SO-GOOD:
-Alvirne to D3. Seriously, this seems like the cowardly move of the cycle. Alvirne is an established D3 team, and they've been in the playoffs within the last 3 years. They've also been on the bubble a couple of times. Why should they be allowed to drop down below where they're placed?
-BG forced to stay in D2. People talked for years about how "BG should move up..." and now that they wanted to (reportedly), they're told "no?" UGH...shoot me.
-9 teams for the top divisions and 10 teams for the bottom divisions. Makes no sense. Why create all these cross-over games between D1 and D3 for example? I highly DOUBT that Manchester Memorial or Londonderry are looking forward to facing a Hollis-Brookline or Milford and losing again. It does nothing for football to have these useless and potentially embarassing games on the schedule. Rivalry games (Exeter-Winny for example) are one thing...but random crossovers are bad.

Pretty much same as it ever was. No big deal either way.

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Post  D3Fan84 on Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:12 pm

Not sure if you missed it SofaKing, but the biggest part of this announcement is the fact that they are going down to no more than 5 Divisions for the 2013 season, and that this current cycle will be only 1 year.

This will be a great thing for NH Football in my opinion, but is going to have to come with a radical change to the way the season or playoffs are currently set up. However, with 57 teams playing football and a 12 week season (10 regular season and 2 playoffs), 6 divisions is perfect from a scheduling standpoint. With less than 6 divisions 2013 they are going to have to get creative to find a way to keep a balanced schedule, maintain competitive balance, and keep the right number of teams in the playoffs. There is no way no maintain the current format with less than 6 divisions.

Personally, I'd like to see either 4 or 5 divisions with D1 becoming the biggest division. If I had my way, I'd put 16 teams in two 8 team conferences and make up
D1, D2, and D3 (48 teams). Teams would play 7 regular season games in conference, 1 inter-division crossover (that does not count in conference standings.) and have 1 open date to fill for any rivalry games for a 9 game regular season, 7 that count towards conference standings. The top four teams from each conference (East and West for example) make the playoffs. East 2 plays East 3 and East 1 plays East 4. The winners play for a shot to play the winner from the "West" bracket in the championship and are crowned "Conference Champions". West conference champ plays East conference champ for the division title. 9 Week regular season, 3 weeks of playoffs.

This would leave 9 teams left to make up D4. They play an 8 week regular season, with one bye week each and they follow the current 4 team playoff format, ending one week earlier. This would also leave room for 2 more teams in the future.

As for this upcoming season, not a fan of Bedford being forced to move up so that Alvirne can move down. It seems like an easy-out for a team that is always on the DII playoff bubble. I think Bedford can compete in D2 but if any team was going to move down it should have been West.

I also don't like BG not being in D1. D1 should have 10 teams. I also would have liked to see Trinity in D3 rather than MV if it really is only for one year.

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Post  JAF on Sat Dec 17, 2011 11:18 am


I agree about BG and 10 team D1; however, do you see the committee's problem?

Move BG to D1, make it 10 teams - that means no crossover games with D2. Do you allow PA and BG to keep their out of state games and force other teams to find an extra game or take a bye?

Move ?Alvirne? back to D2 to fill the BG spot for a 9 team division? It's where they belong after all. Moving to D3 is a shame - I'm sure the parents will be happy though - they may actually have a winning team and they'll forget all about their problems with the coach. The best thing about going to an Alvirne game is the band!

Who do you move from D3 to fill Alvirne's spot for a 9 team division? Trinity would howl, I agree it's only 1 year, but if not Trinity, who? Kennett would howl too especially considering the travel. John Stark is closer, but it'd be a long year, right?

So now you have crossovers purely between D2 -> D4 since they would each have 9 teams. With an odd number of teams, there has to be one bye or out of division game for all these schools. For D4 schools, this pushes the playoffs back one week further than they've been used to for the last few years.

Anyway - going forward how about a 14 team D1 and D2, an 11 team D3, and 9 (or 18) team D4/D5. D1/D2 would be further split into two 7 team conferences. Play everyone in your conference once, play 4 cross conference/division games, BUT they COUNT in the standings... The ratings system just has to work properly and factor in non conference opponent's record and strength of schedule. It's not rocket science and this home/away 4/5 point thing currently in place is just wrong. For D4/D5 - there should just be one championship between those divisions - have your playoffs, crown a champ of the division, but the state champ is the winner of the two. That leaves 4 championship games to be played at one site all day (9, 1230, 4, & 730).

DIVISION I (fourteen schools): Pinkerton (3,168), Manchester Central (2,324), Nashua South (2,053), Manchester Memorial (2,040), Nashua North (1,928), Concord (1,860), Londonderry (1,707), Exeter (1,703), Salem (1,543), Keene (1,583), Spaulding (1,506), Dover (1,437), Winnacunnet (1,235), *Bishop Guertin (854).

ConfA-> Pinkerton, South, North, Londonderry, Salem, Keene, BG
ConB-> Central, Concord, Memorial, Exeter, Spaulding, Winnacunnet, Dover

DIVISION II (fourteen schools): *Merrimack (1,450), Timberlane (1,424), Alvirne (1,400), Bedford (1351), Manchester West (1,304), Goffstown (1,201), Portsmouth (1,085), Milford (936), Hollis-Brookline (908), Con-Val (905), Pembroke (899), Merrimack Valley (885), Souhegan (857), Kennett (857).

ConfA-> Merrimack, Timberlane, Alvirne, Souhegan, Con-Val, Milford, Hollis-Brookline
ConfB-> Bedford, West, Goffstown, Portsmouth, Pembroke, Merrimack Valley, Kennett

DIVISION III (11 schools): Kingswood (799), John Stark (762), Hanover (760), Lebanon (727), Sanborn (736), Windham (708), Plymouth (688), St. Thomas (643), Stevens (649), Laconia (628), *Trinity (417).

DIVISION IV (9 schools): Pelham (623), Kearsarge (604), Monadnock (601), Inter-Lakes/Moultonborough (581), Fall Mountain (574), Somersworth (573), Epping-Newmarket (539), Gilford (532), Bow (528).

DIVISION V (9 schools): *Farmington-Nute (656), Campbell (493), Winnisquam (481), Franklin (459), Newfound (422), Raymond (419), Mascoma (404), Newport (390), Bishop Brady (392).

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Post  Tuesday and Friday on Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:49 pm

At last night's BG at Central basketball game there was 12 seconds left in the game and BG had the game in hand. The BG student section started chanting:

"IT'S ALL OVER"

The Central student body without skipping a beat immediately answered with:

"DIVISION 2 FOOTBALL"

Great response from the Central student body. They knocked out the BG student body with that response. Absolute joke BG is staying in D2 football. Next season I won't care what BG does in football because when you look at it from a common sense view it's a sham the Cardinals won't be in D1. The thing is now every body in the state knows it, including the Central student body.

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Post  JAF on Sat Dec 17, 2011 3:02 pm


Their student body obviously forgot the last time BG played Central in a football game... Suffice to say, it wasn't close. Mark Spinney's senior year - BG knocked out 2 key Central players just before playoffs. When was the last time Central was in a championship game? They barely beat Trinity two years ago and were stronger this past year in the Turkey Bowl, but that's about it. For a school with their size, history, and reputation - they should be better competition.

In any case, I actually thought it was the weakest chant of the night from their student body. Other than the first 15 minutes of basketball and maybe about 4 minutes in the second half, their student body didn't impress me in the chant department. BG's 10-15 students outchanted them... Especially the why so quiet... There were a couple of others for which Central had no answer. The only good one they had was "You can't stop him" referring to Ortega. Unfortunately for Central their players and student body got too tired as the game went on. Central players tugging at their shorts just before half time told me all I needed to know.

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Post  Tuesday and Friday on Sat Dec 17, 2011 3:26 pm

All well and good Jaf, but I could care what happens when Central plays Bg in football. It doesn't hide the fact that everybody in HS football, not named BG, thinks it's a farce the Cardinals will continue to play in a nlw watered down D2 football divion.

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Post  JAF on Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:31 pm

I think its a farce too, but to a degree the placement choice is out of BG's hands.... Two years ago it was BG or Exeter - would you consider it a farce for Exeter to play down in D2 at BG's expense? Given hindsight? Two years ago knowing what I knew about the depth coming up, I wasn't so sure D1 would have been the right place for BG. There's a lot we can say given hindsight. But I do agree going forward, D1 is the better/right placement - the program is built, now it's just a matter of caring for it and keeping it going and thus there's no reason to drop back down.

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Post  MikeLB on Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:49 pm

Love the idea of three divisions (and expanded playoffs) as reported in NH Football Report. Still think two conference in each division would be better than four though. Finally, some "real" state champions.

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Post  EBlessNHSP on Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:17 pm

Here's a link to Rogers article at NH Football Report: http://www.nhfootballreport.com/2012/02/nhiaa_football_may_be_divided.html

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