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Post  CasualFan on Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:37 am

So much talk on this forum about POY so….here goes.
POY …… a Most Valuable Player…. hands down I know who it should be at this juncture of the season. All the top teams are there because they were expected to be. There are many players that are doing great and have a supporting cast that helps them each night. Except one. The team I am talking about is young and inconsistent, with a big man for a leader. He leaves it all on the court night after night. Double - Doubles almost every game. Diving for lose balls. Rebounding & Scoring. And always keeping his composure on the court NOT like some of the extracurricular stuff I have seen from other top players. There isn't anything he wouldn't do to help his young team. To me, in this age of showboating and the "all about me" attitude….. I'd take a humble big man leading his young team any day. Mark down my vote…..after watching the game at Lund Rd tonight - it's Lunn.

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Post  Tuesday and Friday on Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:50 am

Paradis had 31 last night in Spaulding's thrilling victory over Dover. I'll put Paradis up with Lunn for POY along with....... Mabor Gabriel. Trinity is undefeated and tied for 1st. Gabriel has been really kicking it in lately. He had a good game against South and Preston. He had a very good game against Memorial and totally outplayed Tong. He had a very good game against BG and Lunn to lead Trinity to the victory on the road against BG.

I know Pelletier will kick it in gear and get some serious mention.

Lunn may have had the upper hand for POY a couple of weeks ago, but the more signature losses BG suffers, the more it will hurt Lunn's chances.

Tyler Gendron won the POY last season on the 7th seeded Merrimack team. I have a hunch the POY might come from a Top 5 team this year because the disparity with the Top 5 teams and the rest of the teams record wise is larger this year than in other years.

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Post  Tuesday and Friday on Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:19 am

Oh and Gabriel had 29 points tonight to lead Trinity to a 72 to 50 victory over Alvirne tonight. Nobody has had a better stretch of the last 4 games than Gabriel. He's been doing this while Trinity has been getting one signature win after another.

If Trinity and Central stay undefeated for their EPIC game on Feb. 26th at Central, it is conceivable that could be a signature battle for not only the #1 seed, but also for POY.


If Merrimack keeps having a solid year then Eric Gendron thrusts himself into the discussion for POY. If he wins it this season would it be the first time siblings have ever won back to back POYs?

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Post  rwvogeley on Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:34 pm

When Trinity played at South Gabtiel had a good game, mostly when Preston wa in foul trouble. Early in the game Preston got a rebound which he ripped away from Gabriel; He baically taunted Gabriel withthe rebound and I could see Gabriel melt.
Lets go non biased opinions, Who are the coaches sitting in the bleachers coming to see???Gabriel...no He dosn't give the coaches the effort that the see in Lunn and Preston.
Just saying....

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Post  Hoopfan4 on Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:03 pm

Just checked the box score from that game on NH sports page and Gabriel had 16 compared to Preston's 13 - doesn't sound like melting to me...maybe a little biased,,,which is fine...but Gabriel has come up very big for Trinity when they needed him most. The most important stat of course is wins and losses, and as I recall Trinity won that game in OT and has yet to lose with Gabriel playing a major role in their run...tough to argue with that...just saying...

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Post  rwvogeley on Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:56 pm

jTHe difference between Trinity and South is the difference between Gia... and Dunham. I am just telling you that the coaches in the bleachers and myself like Lunn and Preston better than Gabriel. Haven't seen the kid from Spaulding yet. He is the other player I hear many good things about.

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Post  nhkickzgod on Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:50 pm

I haven't seen many colleges coach's recruit NH players this year.
So I would like to know where are the college coach's from "that are in the bleachers"???

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Post  Tuesday and Friday on Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:30 pm

I hear you New Hampshire Kickz.

this senior boys class might be one of the weakest classes for college potential in the history of New Hampshire high school basketioball.

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Post  amcman7 on Tue Feb 05, 2013 3:09 pm

My POY right now is Pelletier. I believe he is the most versatile of the candidates, and I honestly don't believe that the other candidates can do all the things that Doc requires of him night in and night out. All the other athletes are great basketball players and important to their respective teams, but for me it's Pelletier.

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Post  BoscoD39 on Tue Feb 05, 2013 3:48 pm

Player of the Year and Most Valuable Player are two completely different subject matters. Pelletier is the Player of the Year. MVP should go to someone that does everything that is required to keep their team relevant and winning, the player who if taken off the roster would leave that team a shell of itself. The MVP is Carmen Giampetruzzi.

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Post  Tuesday and Friday on Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:10 pm

there is no MVP award in New Hampshire high school basketball

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Post  BoscoD39 on Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:14 pm

Obviously, I'm just making a point, for argument's sake.

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Post  Tuesday and Friday on Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:23 pm

well it's tough to separate a POY and MVP.

The winner of the POY would be considered the MVP. With this watered down year, any POY candidate taken off their respective team would leave any team a shell of itself.

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Post  BoscoD39 on Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:35 pm

I don't really believe it is that hard to separate them. Many people could make an argument that Kaleb Marquis is a player of the year candidate, but is he really an MVP? Concord won't be making the playoffs regardless of him being or not being on the team, so how valuable is he? Doesn't mean he couldn't be considered by some to be the best player.

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Post  rwvogeley on Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:59 am

I will agree that the talent in NH hoops is generally limited. This year it is even more limited. My logic of POY are to trade players and ask which team would be incrementally better . If I traded Lunn for Gabriel, I think that Trinity would be further down the road than BG.
Regarding the coaches in the stands, both were D3 coaches and one from the same conference as Salve Regina. I do not mention their names, because I feel that any comments they made are confidential and I do not want to make them public.

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Post  sjsprague on Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:16 pm

It is sad that Kaleb Marquis has been saddled with bad teams for his entire high school career. He lives for basketball 12 months a year. Without him Concord would be averaging 30 pts per game.

I would certainly give this kid credit for POY. He plays the entire game unless he is in foul trouble. He never quits - even when the team is down by 40 pts. Unfortunately, he would never get votes for POY because of the team he plays for. The POY will obviously be someone on an outstanding team.

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Post  rwvogeley on Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:14 pm

If Caleb is a player he will be noticed and compared to oother players. He might not be POY, but he could be the most valuable player to his team. Like you mentioned without nhim the could be really worse off.

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Post  Jeremy Leveille on Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:37 pm

Tuesday and Friday wrote:I hear you New Hampshire Kickz.

this senior boys class might be one of the weakest classes for college potential in the history of New Hampshire high school basketioball.
That might be so, but that is a harsh statement to make without mentioning the following players: Kaleb Joseph (Nashua), Dimitri Floras (Merrimack), Mike Auger (Hopkinton), Mike LeBlanc (Dover) and Matt Barr (Exeter). All 5 of them went prep, but would be in the NHIAA Class of 2013 if they had stayed at their local high school. Joseph has a slew of high-major D-I offers, including Providence, Pitt, Marlyland, etc. Floras, Auger and LeBlanc have all been offered by UNH, while Floras has also been offered by Canisius. And Barr has committed to Bentley. That's 5 schlarship players right there.

This Class of 2013 doesn't look as bad now, does it? Add in guys like Pelletier, Gabriel, Preston, Len and Paradis and you actually have a really talented class.

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Post  littlegreen on Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:53 pm

Jeremy with all due respect you have no idea what kind of scholarships are being offered these players so don't make it sound like they are on full rides. They may be getting a couple grand in some cases.

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Post  Tuesday and Friday on Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:57 pm

Jeremy, it might be a harsh statement, but let me remind you it is a statement you agreed with me in a phone conversation we had about 3 weeks ago ..... Just to jog your memory. bounce

Prep is prep and HS is HS. I make a clear distinction between the 2 when talking about a senior class.

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Post  rwvogeley on Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:37 pm

The highest player to go last year was Gianelli at Franklin Pierce. Noone even mentioned his name last year.D3 is a great college experience in that you can get an edu;cation and still enjoy playing hoops. Again, beforeTyler Roche went to BC, when was the last time a NH high school kid went D1 and stayed at that school for the full four years????
So even in the good years the talent is limited. If you look at Mass, they are aslo experiencing the same phenomena, the cream of the talent pool is going prep. The advantage to the coach is they are getting a player who has already lived away from home, and he is not burning a yer of eligibility. The kid is reclassified in prep school so he has red shirted for a year.

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Post  BoscoD39 on Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:39 pm

Probably Matt Bonner at Florida.

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Post  rwvogeley on Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:54 pm

Correct. And before that what Tunji from Trinity who had a real nice career at BU. How many years ago was that??????
So when I read in the various social media, that this kid has a good handle, and plays above the rim,,,etc,are his skills really being honestly evaluated????
Look at the rosters of the schools in Boton and you can ee that they realize the is very little talent here to draw from....

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Post  dj5hoop on Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:01 pm

Kaleb is good player and he works hard no matter what. He has no doubt been hurt by playing for a bad program. It would be nice to see him play on a team with some other good players and good coaching. Having said that, I believe it really doesn't matter how many points a player scores if that team continues to lose. Team sports are ultimately about winning and the best players bring many different elements to the table. They make others around them better by not only doing the big things but also all the little things. No matter what the team sport is, the best and most important players are always the most well rounded. They do a little of everything depending on what is needed for each particular contest. A few of the scoring leaders are on bad teams which means they are getting a lot more shots then some of the players on winning teams. The truth is, if your team is not good, you probably have no shot at being player of the year. Right now I would say Troy Pelletier, Eric Gendron and Mabor Gabriel have to be the favorites for POY. They all do everything for their teams on a consistant basis and their teams happen to be near the top. Lunn, Paradis, Preston and Marquis are all having good seasons but unless they get their teams over the top they probably shouldn't win POY.

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Post  The Edge on Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:41 pm

To me the Player of the year is the strongest player across all 5 tools to play (shooting, ball handling, passing, rebounding, and defending). Team record does matter as somebody worhty of POY makes the team better and usually successful. Post players like Gabriel usually are not asked to handle the ball nor pass much but they do need to rebound and defend. For a post player to get POY they have to be truly dominant. Pelliter and Gendron are asked to do it all. My vote would go to Pelliter but I would say that Gendron is more " valuable" to his team as he scores 33% of his teams points vs Pelliters 25% and Gabriels 22%. He also has the ball in his hands a vast majority of the time for Merrimack. Take Gendron away from Merrimack and they are in the bottom third of the league. can't say that about Pelliter or Gabriel

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