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Post  Tuesday and Friday on Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:29 am

I've been gathering my thoughts on the incident that happened in last night's West at Central game. I feel this is a perfect opportunity to use this as a model for future incidents. It doesn't happen that often. When it does there is a lot going on the court and off it. I am not trying to draw attention to the individual that started the incident. I want to point out there was a thing that went wrong last night, but there was a lot of things that went right following the ugly incident.

First off you need to understand the player from West was in the Central basketball program last season. He transferred to West. This perhaps lays the foundation to the incident. This player starts for West. The Central student body was giving him old fashioned razzing from the start of the game. Frustration built up as the Central lead extended in the first half and the razzing of the player continued. During a made FT the West player made a gesture towards the Central student body. This ratcheted up the Central student body. From my vantage point and to my ears the Central student body was clean in their razzing. It was razzing that has been done for decades by generations of student bodies.

Halftime came and Central had a commanding 40 - 25 lead. The 2nd half started. With about 6:30 left in the 3rd quarter the ball went out of bounds by the Central student body. The West player in question went to retrieve the ball and made a gesture with the ball towards the Central student body. The referee administering the sideline inbounds talked to the West player and glanced at the Central student body. The referee handled the situation well. He threw sugar onto the situation as opposed to salt. Just over a minute later a Central player was on a semi break away to the basket. While in the air the West player in question pushed the Central player from behind. The referee immediately assessed an intentional foul. Coach Bryson immediately summoned a substitute for the West player.

As the referee was reporting the intentional foul a Central player came in the lane by the West player. The West player threw a punch and connected to the head area of the Central player. The referee signaled the West player was ejected and both referees got in between Central and West players to make sure this incident didn't escalate further. The referees did a great job handling this. The Central players showed great discipline in holding back both verbally and physically to a situation which could have turned extremely ugly. The other participating West players showed great discipline in not doing anything that would escalate the situation. Both coaching staffs kept their bench personnel on the sidelines, which is EXACTLY where bench personnel should be during a fight. 2 game administrators from Central immediately went up into the bleachers in back of the Central bench to talk to some West fans who were being verbal. Great job by the Central game administrators to diffuse another situation which could have turned ugly.

There was a Manchester policeman who stayed by center court waiting to diffuse any other situation that might happen. The West player came off the court. Coach Bryson met him at half court and escorted him to the locker room with others. Central on court players attended to the Central player while he laid on the base line. A trainer soon attended to the Central player. In the aftermath there was a stunned silence by the crowd. You could feel the collective hope of the crowd wishing for the Central player to be OK. He got up a few minutes later. He was out of the game for a bit, but did come back later in the game. West actually showed some competitive feistiness after the incident and cut a 20 point Central lead down a bit, but Central took a strong hold by increasing the lead at the end of the 3rd and into the 4th quarter.

After the game when news of this starting making it's way some associates asked me where were the coaches in all this. Well, the coaches did EXACTLY what they were supposed to do. They kept themselves and their bench personnel off the court during the incident. By rule, any bench personnel that comes on the court during a fight is immediately assessed a flagrant technical foul and is ejected. If Doc or Coach Bryson had come on the court towards the incident either one of them would've been ejected and would've been suspended for the next 2 games. The rule book and NHIAA laws are clear on this. If the West water boy had come on the court trying to get involved in the incident he/she would've been assessed a flagrant technical foul and would've been ejected.

As you can see there was a lot going on in the Simon Gym with just over 5 minutes remaining in the 3rd quarter last night. One bad decision was followed by a series of cool headed well made decisions. The well made decisions started with the 2 referees, continued with the Coaches and bench personnel. The Central game administrators handled the situation in a professional manner. The fans in attendance deserve kudos for letting the people in power handle the situation and not taking it upon themselves to act with short thought passion.

I will reiterate I am writing about this not to bring attention to the West player in question, but rather to point out how a potentially explosive situation was handled correctly by a lot of people at the Simon Gym last night.


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Post  mmartineaunhti2015 on Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:44 am

My sister was sitting right behind central's bench and she was scared for the erst of the game after the incident happened.



Mmartineau,please don't use player's numbers or information about filming and cameras.

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Post  SeacoastDad on Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:56 am

T&F - This would be a great time to name names -- of the referees, that is. Sounds like they did a great job.

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Post  Tuesday and Friday on Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:23 pm

Not going to happen SeacoastDad. Referees don't get named on either side of the basketball fence. They just ride down the basketball road to whistle another game on another day. Wink

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Post  BoscoD39 on Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:45 pm

*****Comments edited*******

Do not make personal attacks Bosco.

The next one you make will get you a suspension.

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Post  CasualFan on Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:13 pm

T&F, Thanks for information regarding the West/Central incident. Glad cool heads prevailed. Kudos to all involved. Thanks for the NHIAA rules regarding suspensions & ejections in this circumstance - did not know all that.

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Post  BoscoD39 on Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:05 pm

Personal attack? Wouldn't that require me to mention someone personally? I guess opinions are only allowed if they don't upset the status quo.




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Post  dj5hoop on Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:32 pm

When situations like this occur, it is easy to second guess how things were handled. I think the coaches and players did a great job of showing restraint. The officials did a nice job as well, however, I do feel like certain aspects could be improved upon. The gesture to the crowd was the first indication the West player was having a difficult time controlling his emotions. I'm not sure if it was seen by the offfcials or the coach of West but I honestly feel the action should of been dealt with immediately. The action could be considered as inciting the crowd and that is a technical foul. If the coach saw the gesture, it is a no brainer to sit the player down and speak to him. The second incident of faking a pass to the head of a student in the crowd was the second clear indicator this player was losing control. Again, officiating and coaching could of settled the matter but not enough was done in my opinion. The intentional foul was extremely dangerous and could of resulted in a serious injury if not for the athleticism of the Central player. What happened next was so irrational and its hard to blame anyone but the player himself. The West player sucker punched the Central player who was a few feet away and had his back turned. It could of been a life threatening punch and certainly a life changing punch had it landed in a different spot. It was cowardly and completely out of control. If it happened on the street in front of a police officer this person would of been arrested on the spot. Fortunately the Central player was ok, however, it doesn't change the fact an assault was committed. The West player should be suspended for the entire season. All in all everyone did a good job handling a situation that could of blown out of control. Hopefully we can all learn from the incident and be better prepared to prevent things like this from happening again.

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Post  Tuesday and Friday on Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:59 pm

Welcome to the Forum dj5hoop.

Point taken on the first gesture by the West player after the FT. If the trail official(one by the ft line) would've seen the gesture he would've called a Technical. Officials can't call what they can't see. That trail official looks for in order:
1) shooter violation/lane violation on 3 players.
2) made shot/missed shot rebounding contact.

As he was looking for 2) the gesture was made. Official can't call what he doesn't see.

On the ball fake to student body. The official chose to talk to player to try to smooth over situation. If he calls a T on West player, then the Central student body is 10 feet away and no doubt would've been lathered up. Who knows what would've happened then. Again, hindsight is much clearer than as it's happening,

As far as the punch..... No room for questioning there. I'm sure the proper people of authority will come to a judicious decision as to the West player's future.

I think we are total agreement that a lot of people made right decisions in the aftermath to avoid further problems.

Thanks again for the input and welcome to the Forum.

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Post  Tulliver on Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:41 pm

I'm going to just say - that I have it on very good authority that the players involved in "the incident" have been in contact and are being very mature about the situation.

I believe an apology was offered and accepted.

If so - and I do believe it to be true -

Pretty cool.

I'm sure there will be further discussions (team,school, home) and consequences. But - really cool that instead of feeding the flames - two young men have demonstrated the character and maturity to make peace.

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Post  Tuesday and Friday on Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:55 pm

if this is true Tully then it's the best thing I've heard all day.

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Post  Tulliver on Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:57 pm

I am extremely confident it's true.

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Post  GNG on Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:40 am

Habib has the story in union leader this morning.

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Post  EBlessNHSP on Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:44 am

Here's the article.

http://www.unionleader.com/article/20130117/SPORTS21/130119290/1003/sports


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Post  dj5hoop on Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:15 am

The apology has not been accepted I can assure you of that. Lets keep in mind this was in fact an assault on a player who wasn't involved in the play and had his back to the assailant. What kind of person hauls off and punches someone as hard as they can in the head from behind? Thats exactly what happened. The build up to this player losing control was obvious for all to see. I was next to to the Central student cheering section and while they were on the West player throughout the game I didn't hear or see anything over the top or out of the ordinary. If the officials or West coach didn't see the West player running down the middle of the making an obscene gesture (edited Forum Admin) then they are the only ones who didn't. At least 2 video tapes show everything that took place and lets not forget two police officers were witnesses as well.

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Post  EBlessNHSP on Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:46 am

dj5hoop - your point is made. I'm sure the NHIAA and proper authorities will take this matter very seriously and proper action will be taken.

Apology or no apology...accepted or not accepted...not sure that's any of our business, that's between the two young men and their families. I know if I was one of their parents I would not want this matter discussed on an open forum, so lets not discuss it any further.


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